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Pesonally, I still think that is a misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment.

For those that pay little or no taxes and get more back in return, isn't that the definition of a Ponzi Scheme?

Nothing is ever cheaper when you put a 3rd party in between you and a product/service

Sa M . Collin a he Fo a fe ea ago -- ha a g ea ho .

If ever nation on earth goes bankrupt,who ends up with all the mone ? Churches? Donald Trump?

My feeling exactly. The story talks about how no one is analyzing the Senate GOP Jobs Bill, then does nothing to analyze it other than mention one person who has commented on it. To use the internet shorthand WTF is this comment even being published by anyone?????

I also think it's worth sa ing that Kade is a Tucson bo . Not some uppie from Scottsdale or wherever. I'm luck to have known Kade growing up in the Flowing Wells school district where his father also worked for man ears. Great job Kade! Keep up the good work!

mexicans are american indians....like i said mexicans have been here for 20,000 years then along came the europeans and arbitrarily divided up their spoils....someday in the not too distant future the arbitrary "boundries" will shift again and i wonder what side you'll be on, then the shoe will be on the other foot.

It's true, it's true...Barack Obama told me to say so...

This new and devious plan on the part of Rio Nuevo is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. Why is it so difficult for people to see that this is a HUGH scam?

I expect the City Council will do what Karl Marx, Che Guevera, and the other Communists tell them what to do. They will miss their regular Communist TV shows on Tucson Access though. Maybe they can bring a hookup to the park.

Direct Democracy Consensus (Direct Democracy @ Occupy Wall Street)

"You're" is the correct word. Guess you weren't paying attention in junior high English.

The problem is that NONE of those running for office has the intrests of Tucson on their mind, it's all for personal gain. Fire em all and start over.

Catholic Church supports Illegal Immigration http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD5ztsK6mDg

She needs to step down. She has hogged the seat long enough and disallowed representation to those of us in CD8. I wish her nothing but the best but enough is enough. She can be interviewed on TV, but cannot/willnot speak to her constituates. We have the right to representation, and et we have none, Ralph sure has done nothing to represent us, as the "fill in".

Her 15 minutes are about up.....

Sooo...does this mean the Obamaeconomy still ain't working ?

Closing achievement gaps means nothing when many, if not most, of those who graduate are unable to do college level work. Let people study their ethnic history on their own time if they are interested in it. These ethnic studies classes seem to do a better of job of opening the gap between Americans of different backgrounds. The failure to assimilate does more damage to minorities than the lack of ethnic studies programs which do little, if anything, to encourage unity among our citizens.

It is good to see the American people FINALLY get off their butts and take to the streets and send a message to Washington and the financial wolves on Wall Street and the abominable big banks that we've HAD ENOUGH of your dispicable self-serving policies perpetrated on the backs of hard working Americans.

lol if you dont like the mine, dont live in a mining state.

Racism is the hate of others based on race. During the second world war, many people were killed because of racism. Class warfare has killed many people as well under communism. Actually, it has killed far more people. The class warfare that we see perpratrated by the left today is far worse and vastly more evil than racism.

So is this the result of raising a generation of children with the ideas that there are no losers, that everyone should succeed even if they cannot do the work, that the rules do not have to apply to all, that we have to limit those that are better at doing something in the name of fairness, that the rightness or wrongness of your actions do not matter only how you feel about your actions determins if they were right or wrong?

They moved two months ago? Yet the ADS just now reports that fact? The ADS is really slipping in the credibility department.

Honestly, I find it refreshing to have a conservative with a pulse in the running.

Kolb is over-rated (and will be overpaid), but better than anything the Cardinals put on the field last year. Whiz, your job is closely tied with Kolb's performance. S o Commen

Unlike the Tea Party where there is more than a vestige of historical perspective, these "occupiers" are cluelessly innocent of knowing that they have simply bought into the old Commie line. Understand this, Communism has a fundamental gut appeal to all working people. But has made fools of all of its most intelligent supporters. Notably Lenin in his later years was appalled to see the sinister direction that Stalin had taken his precious social experiment. Much blood was shed. Twenty million citizens were killed by Stalin even before the war began. Stalin's harsh rule whipped Russia successfully into the modern world, where it finally languished in a whimper without the bang fifty years later. The experiment failed. Then it was China'a turn. They adopted capitalism at the last minute before breakup. North Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela are examples of failure to watch for. There are no shining examples of "occupier" success. They are on the wrong end of the historical stick.

This isn't really the domain of the judge. It's not up to him to decide whether or not Brewer or Horne are acting properly, only whether what's going on with these clubs is legal. His power is limited to that extent. If people are mad at Brewer and Horne for ignoring the voice of the citizens of Arizona then VOTE THEM OUT. Vote against them and any legislator who supports them. That's how democracy works.

I agree that it is prudent to do a risk/benefit analysis for all ventures. As you know, your mine is all risk with no benefit for Southern Arizona's lifestyle. Rosemont will litterally turn our urban corridor into a polluted garbage dump.

These protesters are a nuisance, go home and do something useful. Here is a link to a story about someone who is out of a job and doing something about it. He's using his brain and at least trying and not being a freeloader looking for a hand out.

I recently traveled in Texas (El Paso, San Antonio, Waco) and did not see any tagging. Nor did I see where tagging had been painted over. I got the impression there is no tagging done in Texas. I come back to the Tucson area and tagging is everywhere. Why do the people of Tucson condone tagging?

Throw the Skank in prison. Her and Paris pulled up along side me at loop 101 and Union Hills about 5 years ago. Nasty little party girls. Brand new Escalade with no plates or temp sticker on the SUV. Laughing their Skank butts off and partying. The crabs were jumping out of the SUV. Nasty.

Hold Holder to account like Iran on plot President Obama wouldn't say whether he believes Iran's leaders knew about a plot to assassinate the Saudi Arabian ambassador in Washington, but they should be held accountable in any event. "Even if at the highest levels there was not detailed opera-tional knowledge, there has to be accountability with respect to anybody in the Iranian govern-ment engaging in this kind of activity." While I have no illusions that Iran would not consider an assassination attempt, I have trouble believing that they sent their best deep cover spymaster to wander the streets looking for a drug cartel hitman.

Well, we know what this means. The MSM will quadruple-down with ever more articles that lack substance.

Ate there for almost forty years, I proposed to my wife there 27 years ago. We eat elsewhere as the food quality is hit or miss and too expensive. The cost is the result of all you living wage idiots that have doomed the restaurant industry.

Maybe, just maybe, if the government took the money we're spending on graffiti prosecution and abatement and put it to education and after-school activities, we wouldn't have so much graffiti... On second thought, naaaah. Let's just lock 'em all up and throw away the key. That'll show 'em.

Why? It's more fun over here.

@ MP, Why cut off at 55? If someone is 54 1/2, that would suck. I'm almost 50, have 30+ years of employment under me belt. Why not spread it out to everyone 72 1/2 and younger loses benefits? "It's time to remove all existing politicians from office and start over with those who will do what is necessary to ensure our countries long term survival. Right now all they care about is winning the next election." Prediction: 80+% of imcumbents get re-elected in 2012. Would that be a big fat fail or what.

AGAIN the recycling of comments. Its interesting that there are over 80 comments but only the last 2 have any bearing on the current article. There is no proof that obama’s stimulus plan has done anything to stimulate the economy. I have seen several options actually stating the opposite view point (and not from limbaugh). The idea is that the looming nation debt has and is going to actually hurt this country (think Greece and Spain). If the oil spill is his singular focus then why is he only appointing a part time person to be in charge of it? No NOT ALL of us believe that we need to continue progress on his recovery act. MANY believe that this so called recovery act is actually holding down the economy.

All it would have to be is a protest about bankers by the tea party. They would screaming for a second amendment solution and claiming they were headed that way armed. The tea party had a large illegal protest on park service land outside DC while illegally carrying firearms openly just last year. Was there an article in the star with comments?

But George, the redistributionists don't believe in investing. That's only for greedy people. They believe the collective will meet their needs.

Sooooo. How long are these OWS rallies going to keep going as to distract from the Fast and Furious charges?? Obama wants to know.

I have two and never use them. The honey AND balsamic in the chicken recipe sounds too sweet to me. Guess I'll fire up an old-fashioned stew one of these days.

Illegal, illegal, illegal......blah, blah, blah. I want to read an article about someone fighting for the American's rights!

Oh, that Senate. Well, this is embarrassing. I thought that you were talking about the other Senate.

Three weeks ago I went there for a busines lunch. Ordered carne seca and got some bs excuse that because of all the rain they couldn't dry out the beef. The next week the foreclosure notice came out. Many of childhood memories. You have to adapt or perish in this market.

"...send any new mines packing somewhere else...." But for a copper mine the "somewhere else" has to have copper in the ground. This is not a factory or shopping mall that we are talking about. It is an operation to extract copper from where it is buried. Copper has to be mined where it is. Simply saying "somewhere else" doesn't make the copper magically appear where you wish it would.

Does everyone who wants a job get one.......

"Try to find some way to lift the curfew so kids who cannot afford it are not getting ticketed every night," Maybe they could get a loan from the <snicker> Bank....

"Special privilege for the special few" Our justice system is just as corrupt and lousy as any in the world.

Wo ld be cool o offe ome hing like hi fo enio ci i en o di abled people- mo e like a g oce n fo ho e ho a e nable o don' an o hop fo i em hem el e . I o ld be a pola oppo i e of hi p og am, a i o ldn' e ac l ca e o he d nk/ one c o d.

Funny how one interprets "tax the rich!!!" as redistribute profits. What do you think your share will be ?

Thanks for the article, ADS. I'll add Border Action to my donation list. Why do you support illegal immigration? I support human rights and dignity. So does Border Action. They people they represent, for the most part, add to the richness of America. If you support human rights and dignity, maybe you can convince illegals to both practice their RIGHTS and to have the DIGNITY to go through the legal process. Then, illegals and supporters wouldn't have to be concerned with illegals and supporters embarrassing themselves on the real issues.

Since you went to school and have such a valid argument, please list the relevant cases and the limits set by the supreme court on peaceable assembly "across the country"?

Agreed. Most people vote in their own self interest rather than in the interest of the society as a whole. When people stop voting for the politician who promises them the most "freebies" and vote for what is right we will start to turn things around. It won't be an easy path, but it is our only option if we want our country to be around 20, 50, or 100 years from now.

Thank you for all your hard work Ms. Allen. Good luck with whatever you choose to do next. Yeah, what's next is, she'll probably show up in a photo with a bunch of illegal alien smugglers holding AK-47's, a la Jane Fonda hanging out with her communist buddies during the Vietnam War. Yeah. Good luck, "Jane Fonda of Tucson"!

Re you talking about the protesters or this message board?

Of course the Occupy movement is international while the much larger Tea Party movement is strictly domestic. The Occupy is just another retro manifestation of twentieth century Anarchist/Communist mass protests that took place all over the world because its leaders "believed" it was destined to rule the world,...somehow. Those would be rulers are still with us, and they have no trouble finding dimwitted patsies to carry their banners. Wherever it was tried, it failed, but only after tens of millions of deaths amid stunning violence. The Tea Party movement, like its name, has a classical American inspiration and tone. Our government needs an American President, desperately.

You people who voted for this actually believed it was temporary. Right, when was the last time any tax was temporary and was taken away.

Sales taxes are repressive in my opinion as they deprive me of buying things some of which are essential for my health. We payed fewer taxes when we were ruled by the British before we became a sovereign nation and are ruled by our current crop of dictators/hired help. Our supposedly freedoms has cost "we the people" a fortune because of the greedy in our nation that bribe our hired help to make laws so that they do NOT have to pay taxes or very little.

Interesting take.

Your post made me wonder what the Kennedy dynasty would be like if in fact wealth wasn't allowed to be passed on from one generation to another? Could any of them have made it without being the beneficiary of Joe's wealth?

There actually won't be much of an Iraq. The Shiites in Iran will take much of the Eastern portion, and the Turks will wipe out the Kurds and occupy the North. There might be a little spot for the Sunni in the southwest, but it won't be much. Nation-building...it's what I am most disappointed in W for. He told Gore he wouldn't do it during the 2000 debates, and then went ahead and did it. Screw these countries. Bring our people home from all over the world...including Europe, Asia, S. America, Africa (including all these dumbarse humanitarian missions) and put the soldiers where they belong...on the border building the wall to keep the invaders out. This is what our soldiers want to be doing anyway...protecting THIS country! As to my point earlier about leaving Germany to Hitler. For those who think I believe that should have happened, you are wrong. Sometimes the cause is correct, and we must fight. WWII was the example. There has not been an example since. It just amuses me that we hear people say "no foreign entanglements whatsoever" and then not answer my question whether we should have stopped the Nazis. Had we not, all of Europe would be under the Nazi flag, and when the Soviets collapsed under their own weight, the Reich would have grown further. That is a battle we needed to fight. Korea? Vietnam? Kuwait? Somalia? Iraq? Not so much.

THAT PICTURE IS TOO FUNNY

I haven't been convinced there is such a thing as global warming either. I've seen too much manipulation and fraud in the entire thing. It smells like a political agenda to me.

Typical ADS bias. Stating the negatives against the mine as absolute and presenting the positives as questionable. In any event, this entire argument could have been avoided if Pima County had acted to purchase the Rosemont tract from ASARCO in 2004 when it was offered for less than $5 million. The land then could have been set aside for recreation. End of story. Now that the property is worth billions, all of a suddent it's worth protecting. We're now paying the price for Pima County's short-sightedness in millions of dollars in legal bills and costly delays in a mine that would bring hundreds of good paying jobs and economic prosperity to our depressed region.

Tea-party people are just as spineless then? Are they going to water the tree of liberty with blood?

Is there ever a day without an Obama "speech" ? Whinin' about this. Complainin' about that.

To my knowledge he was NOT born in Africa, or was he. Maybe the demoncrats should ask to see his birth certificate which is probably a forgery. And as he is for the wealthy ONLY I do not consider him a true American but someone who is willing to stab the poor and middle class in the back, like another famous person in biblical history did his brother. Lets see if this politically correct comment stands or is censored because of who I am and NOT because it violates the ADS guidelines.

I see. Good riddance to bad trash.

Cong e m ep p and o e on job bill Stimulus II was voted on. Must be referring to the GOP jobs bills held up by Mr. Reid.

You guys seem to be placing a lot of blame on many things except the obvious. Tucson is a sewer of a city. Backwards thinking citizens, hideous architecture, horrid filth, and people that think a Nordstrom Rack and H&M are the pinnacle of high society. I've noticed that the measure of the "hickness" of a city can be quantified by the crap hanging from the citizen's rear view mirror. Go ahead, look at what's hanging from your mirrors.

Thanks for the article, ADS. I'll add Border Action to my donation list. Why do you support illegal immigration? I support human rights and dignity. So does Border Action. They people they represent, for the most part, add to the richness of America. friends knock on the front door, they don't sneak in by climbing thru the window...

Nothing wrong with a "still" fine. This would be a fine received while chained to a chair.

George B says to MJPenny What, and leave it eventually to end up like Haiti? In case you hadn't noticed, this country is every bit as much mine, MJPenny's, and the OWS protester's, as it is yours. We all get to decide its direction.

I want to ask the city council if we can suspend the speed limits within the city limits as well. I need to get to work quicker....

Why doesn't he scrutinize the waste and fraud we keep hearing about in Federal programs they say they'll fix over the next ten years. It'll seem like you have more revenue Gordo...honest.

The tea party hates the constitution, thinks that it is a fluid document and should not interpreted literally. In short they are liberal/progressives at least when it comes to the constitution and those they disagree with. Not conservatives but right wing authoritarians that wish to impose their views on you just like the British did 200+ years ago.

Who wants to visit a third world city?

Resolution is going to require high-tech methods to extract resources at incredible depths and heat. This is going to put Arizona on the world's map for use of technology including engineering, computing, manufacturing of the automanous and guided equipment to make this operation possible. Resolution has been working continuously with the local Gila and Pinal County schools to encourage interest in math and science, and technology. They will need well-trained professional and labor to make this a go and will provide high-tech jobs to thousands.

Her pal Paris Hilton just cut a sweet deal. Why should we expect Lohan to go to jail?

Wanting to reduce government and wanting to overthrow government are two very different things. I have never seen a Tea party member who wants to overthrow the government. The tea party tries to work within the rules of government to enact the changes they want. They don't run around violating laws, illegally taking over private and public parks, defecating on police cars and flags, spitting on Coast Guardsmen and supporting anti-Jewish racists. The also clean up after themselves when their protests are finished.

Fine particulates are nasty. They destroy lungs and shorten lives. Who needs jobs that kill people besides the mine owners?

San Manuel offered good paying career opportunities for more than 50 years. Opportunities at Morenci and Safford are discussed at Freeport-McMoRan Careers Phelps Dodge/Freeport has been providing jobs in the Morenci area for more than 100 years. Pretty good I'd say.

How could they have been made whole on loans that haven't failed yet ?

Based on what evidence?

Spray paint 101 class on the taxpayers dime. I wonder if the taggers will leave her signs alone before the election or express themselves on them? I hope your neighborhoods are clean from griffiti today.

Thanks, I'll have to check it out to understand what the connection is to these poor misguided people.

Irwin, we await YOUR work since you seem to be familiar with the subject matter. While you're at it maybe you can address the changes in the Dems since they were representing the majority of Southern states that favored secession from the Union, anti-abolition and the paved the way for the advent of the KKK!

Anyone here ever die when they were a kid because you went to the playland, climbed Mayor McCheese and get really sick later?

You are obviously reading something that I didn't write. I said the government is transferring wealth from the young who are less wealth to the old who are wealthier. The conclusion is based upon who is paying the SS & Medicare taxes and who is receiving the benefit, and their respective wealth status. I'm also 58 and I know how the system works (and doesn't work).

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I personally dont have a problem with the President going on "vacation", as I said when President Bush was on "vacation", Presidents are really never on vacation. With that said, I dont believe President Bush was making claims that he is working every single hour etc on getting people back to work etc.. President Obama's problem is the visual and the words dont mix

CNN Poll: Majority of Americans say much of stimulus wasted CNN Posted: January 25th, 2010 10:22 AM ET "Washington (CNN) - Nearly three out of four Americans think that at least half of the money spent in the federal stimulus plan has been wasted, according to a new national poll. A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Monday morning also indicates that 63 percent of the public feels that projects in the plan were included for purely political reasons and will have no economic benefit, with 36 percent saying those projects will benefit the economy. Twenty-one percent of people questioned in the poll say nearly all the money in the stimulus has been wasted, with 24 percent feeling that most money has been wasted and another 29 percent saying that about half has been wasted. Twenty- one percent say that only a little has been wasted and 4 percent feel that no stimulus dollars have been wasted. "One reason why the economic stimulus bill is no longer popular with the American public is the perception that a lot of the money has been wasted. Six in ten believe that the projects in the stimulus bill were included for purely political reasons," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "Nearly three quarters believe that at least half the stimulus money spent so far has been wasted, and one in five say nearly all of it has been a waste." http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/01/25/cnn-poll-majority-of-americans-say-much-of-stimulus-wasted/#more-86832

IF only the Church's bore the brunt of "illegal immigrants" financially, it would be a MUCH different tune theyd be singing. IF the Church's feel SO strongly about supporting "illegal immigrants" then lets see them STEP up and support them FINANCIALLY. Of course that wont happen, because, in the grand scheme of things Churchs' are just "liberal mouthpieces" who -just like liberals- talk the talk but never walk the walk. Walk a mile in the TAXPAYERS shoes and then talk. Until then the rest of us who bear the brunt of "illegal immigrants" financially - WILL do what we must to rid ourselves of these "financial leeches." Go home YOU people and CHANGE your own government for the better instead of running away somewhere else.

If anyone's interested in another explanation of the wage gap in America (where the gap itself is an effect, rather than a cause) you may find this interesting. It shows a rather stunning corelation between our country's sagging income fortunes and the failure of our schools to produce an educated work force.

B ing hem on

Historically speaking, Direct Democracies have all suffered the same fate. THEY ALL HAVE BECOME DICTATORSHIPS.

And a McMillan Tach .50!

Southern Arizona's economy will not be helped by Rosemont's low paying, dead end jobs. Rosemont will be competing with call-centers for its staff.